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the oldest and strongest human emotion

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is fear

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and the oldest and strongest type of

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fear

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is trepidation of the unknown

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when we were children our parents told

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us that monsters didn't exist

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but we were sure that something was

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lurking under the bed or in the closet

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fear sees even if our eyes are closed

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welcome to the realm of the arcane

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my name is lon stripler join me as i

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examine

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unexplained creatures strange

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manifestations and remarkable realities

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imagine this next hour as a voyage of

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discovery to strange lands

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seeking not for new territory but for

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new knowledge of the supernatural

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come on board as we begin this adventure

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together

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hey folks good evening and welcome to

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another episode of our canyon radio

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where we explore the unexplained

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live on beyond explanation i'm your host

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lon strickler coming to you

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from the spectral shadows of gettysburg

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pennsylvania

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now before i uh introduce our guests i'm

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going to read

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a short report that i received this week

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it's it's an older report but

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it's pretty interesting uh the witness

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states that my girlfriend and i were

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fishing at a stone

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quarry that was surrounded by cornfields

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of small patches

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of light force and chivalry we were

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outside of sugar grove illinois

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at big rock quarry now this was may of

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the sun had just set and the area behind

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slowly rose to a cornfield edged by

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and small trees now the edge of the

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trees and shrubbery

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is about 15 to 20 yards behind us

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now we were sitting on the edge of the

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water and had just started packing up

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when all of a sudden we heard uh this

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very loud roar it made us

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jump up instantly then it roared again

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i could see the outline of a creature

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with a large head and lord's eyes i

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grabbed my flashlight

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and shined it at the creature it had

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it roared again and you could see large

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teeth then it moved through the trees

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so fast that uh you could see it move on

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you really couldn't see it moving until

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got to its next destination then it

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it had a roar that was not like anything

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was very frightening and a creature was

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was at its closest about 10 yards maybe

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the eyes were reminding me of a large

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now the next day i went back with a

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friend to see if i could see or detect

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signs of anything i couldn't find

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anything no traction broken limbs

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nothing and my buddy and i started

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hour when it started to get dark again

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uh we packed up started to walk up the

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short path to my

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jeep when we both stopped in our tracks

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and coming across the cornfield at

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treetop level

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was a long disc shaped craft

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it had several lights on it with a large

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atmosphere in a blink of a

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blink of the eye the craft that we saw

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i'm not sure he'd been around or not it

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investigated a lot of phenomena in

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illinois and indiana

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the fact that it was a weird type of

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humanoid doesn't surprise me

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though you know we do get of course you

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type of thing in illinois so

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was with the ufo in this creature but uh

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apparently there was something there um

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reports for that area and quite frankly

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i didn't see anything so uh

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you know maybe something will turn up if

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it does i'll go ahead and attach it into

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so tonight i welcome journal mexican

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author

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johnny mayhem to arcane radio now

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search for the darkest scariest places

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on the planet

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and that's where you'll probably find

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joanie she's a seasoned paranormal

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investigator and author of 20

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paranormal books her newest book is when

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ghosts are

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near and her other books include the

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best-selling paranormal true story bones

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in the basement

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surviving the s.k pierce haunted

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victorian mansion

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as well as signs of spirits when loved

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visit now my favorite of course is the

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hanover haunting the deanna simpson

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story

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which occurred in my hometown and uh who

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i recently interviewed on

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arcane radio a journey also operates

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haunted

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harmony ghost walks and investigations

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in in the town of new harmony indiana

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where she resides

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her intrigue regarding the unknown

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frequently leads her into dangerous

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situations

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one's other one others that

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usually leave untouched now journey has

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attended over 300 paranormal

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investigations including many haunted

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hot spots

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such as waverly hills sanitarium rolling

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hills asylum

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gettysburg and the lizzie borden house

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and you can check out her website at

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jodyman.com

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so jody thanks for coming on the show

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hey thanks for having me now

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of course you're you're familiar with

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areas around where i live that of course

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with gettysburg and uh

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and whatever what whatever that was over

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at uh deanna's old house

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uh but tell us about first of all tell

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us a bit about what you do now

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in in new harmony indiana and uh

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and about your new book okay sounds good

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well when i first moved here four and a

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half years ago i really had

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no uh interest in really pursuing the

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paranormal here i just wanted a place

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where i

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kind of fit in and start over and

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uh but as a medium as i was walking

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around i discovered that this town is

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incredibly haunted and it has quite a

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vast history

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the site of two former utopian societies

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a lot of really old buildings here

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uh which i think really helps maintain

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the haunting because

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things still look the same as they did

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back in the day

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so i decided to write a book uh about

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the hauntings here and it's called

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haunted new harmony

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and once i finished that i thought you

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know what i can do better

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and i started doing a ghost walk around

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town and take people around the sites

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talk about the hauntings of the

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locations that are in the book

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and we also do investigations uh when we

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uh pre-covered days we did at least four

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or five a year

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where we would invite the public in but

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right now we're just pretty much doing

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ghost walks during the warmer weather

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i should be starting then in may

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april or may so uh and then my new book

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when ghost or near

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which i think he showed the picture um i

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um put that out last month a couple

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the topic of how people feel ghosts

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other people do and so i started asking

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people how do you know when it goes to

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and what is your most profound

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experience and i ended up getting

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99 stories so the book is full of some

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cool paranormal encounters and the way

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certain people know that energy

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you know other than seeing something uh

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how they sense spirit energy around them

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and you being a medium how

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how do you sense it does it come to you

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don't understand or really know

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the uh what's involved with how you

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sense ghosts or sense

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spiritual energy well for me i'm

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clairaudient which means i hear tones i

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hear things

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and it's usually similar to earring only

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static it's like a white noise sound

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and i can pinpoint where the ghost is in

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the room by turning my head

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so if i turn my head and the left sound

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gets louder

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uh then i know that i'm tracking where

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it is in the room

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so once i really started embracing that

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instead of running from my abilities

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i was able to develop more mediumship

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around it so it becomes a gateway for me

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once i hear the tone and i tune into it

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then i start getting mine pictures and

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more information

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and it will lead me further

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that yeah that's interesting i um

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i actually see colors in my mind's eye

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in particular or a pink green foam

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mix and after i pinpoint it

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and eventually kind of zero in on i

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start getting

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pictures or images of what i'm dealing

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uh you know i and

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that's been pretty consistent most of my

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life

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uh it's kind of been up and on but you

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i i don't really i don't consider myself

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a medium or anything like that

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it's just that i i can just sense

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the energy around me then you're

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probably a sensitive you're intuitive

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and a lot of people do that and it's

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something that you can develop

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if you so choose to uh but i always

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caution people once you stare into the

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abyss the abyss sometimes steers back

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so you know you mentioned in my intro

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that i'm a ghost magnet and

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uh a lot of that happened after i

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started trying to

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fine-tune my abilities and work with

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them more because then the ghost started

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noticing me more but uh you know work

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with that

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work with somebody who's also an

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intuitive and

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you know an experienced medium helps as

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well

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that way you can kind of have validation

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when you're

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you're getting certain information you

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can

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uh have the intuitive the other person

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write down what they're feeling and you

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write down what you're feeling and then

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you compare notes that way

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you don't impact each other with what

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you're feeling

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[Music]

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when you first notice that you had

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disability

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uh it's been all my life i think i was

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probably

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four years old when i had my first

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experience

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my mother would tuck me into bed and

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shut the light off and

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i would start hearing that ear-ringing

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sound

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and i would start feeling like somebody

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was in the room with me and i would

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often scream out you know help there's

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somebody in here and you know of course

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back in that day

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you know parents were taught you know

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there's no such thing as ghosts go back

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to bed

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you're over imaginative and uh so i

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really kind of

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spent most of my life knowing something

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was there but not really having anybody

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to bounce it off of or

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or work with i just it scared me for a

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yeah i was kind of the same way i i i

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never let my parents know what i was

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dealing with

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you know because i knew they would just

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not believe it

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and uh i kind of held that in

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as i got older i started using it you

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know

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of developed it in the past

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decade or so through other means with

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other

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you know now you you're going into

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certain situations uh

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other locations how do you conduct a

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paranormal investigation

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or you know say you're with you're just

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by yourself or with your team

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how do you start that well it kind of

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depends on what the focus is and i do

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get called in

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fairly often to people locally who think

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they have a ghost in their house for

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having

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something going on and i really don't

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need any equipment because if i just

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walk in and use my senses i'll be able

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to pull more information

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i'm kind of past the point where i need

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to prove

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the existence of ghosts to anybody uh

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but sometimes i will bring a spirit box

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and a digital recorder

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just to see if they will talk to us or

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we'll use dowsing rods

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um i don't i'm not one of those people

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that comes in with suitcases full of

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equipment because it bogs you down

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and you know it gets you preoccupied by

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what's in your hands and what you're you

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know maintaining

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and if you just simplify it and just

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keep it

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get more information using your site

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your site

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your ears you know your senses um and

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looking around and seeing what you feel

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and

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what you see yeah i kind of feel the

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same way i'm old school with that type

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of thing i might use a digital recorder

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on occasion but

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that's it and i'm not really into the

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gizmo stuff

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and of course i've seen you know you see

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them using all this stuff on television

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and uh you know i don't normally go on

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crowded investigations it's always a

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private thing

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but uh yeah i'm like you i kind of use

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what abilities i have when i feel what i

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sense

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and go from there uh

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now you've been to uh gettysburg i think

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you've been to gettysburg several times

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of course you were

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outside we were in hanover uh which is

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near me where i was born raised

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um talking about deanna's case

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briefly what did you sense

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personally when you were there

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well you know she when deanna asked me

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to write the book

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i thought well that'd be great i was

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well aware of the story i mean

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you would have to be living under a rock

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to not know about the hanover haunting

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house because it had been on

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the dead files and fox news went viral

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and

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uh you know it was a very well known

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story in the paramount community so i

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was thrilled when she asked me to write

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the book and i decided i was i live in

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indiana now but i spent 30 years living

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in massachusetts

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and i often attend paracons there

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to be able to go back and you know

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connect with my fan base there

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and on my way back i decided you know i

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think i'm gonna stop at deanna's house

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and i'll spend the night that'll be my

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halfway point and

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i was fully prepared to spend the night

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there and

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i took my normal precautions with

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paranormal

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protection i didn't want anything to

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latch onto me or impact me

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and i felt very confident walking in

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until i crossed the threshold of the

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doorway

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and those ghosts were all over me it was

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it was so intense it was unlike anything

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i've ever felt before and i've gone

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through some pretty serious

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extreme hauntings this was out there

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um in its own category and

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i pretty quickly changed my mind about

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spending the night there i mean i

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am brave and i am daring i go to places

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so that i can write about them

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but i felt like if i would have spent

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the night there i

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may not wake up the next morning i knew

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it was that extreme

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uh so at that point i decided i

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brought deanna out on the porch because

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that seemed to be a safe place for me

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and i said um you know

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right i will write the book for you but

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my top priority right now is to get you

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out of this situation

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and so we set in motion um

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plans that night that eventually

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led to her being able to break free of

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the house so that became my top priority

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and then

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you know inadvertently i become a part

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of the book not just writing the story

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but uh now deanna is you know a year

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living in another house and very happy

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and her life's gone back to normal so i

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really feel like people are put together

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for a reason

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and uh deanna and i have

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we're lifelong friends from this point

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on

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yeah i as i told deanna now i i knew a

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bit about what was going on before her

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and i

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got conte in fact i never been in the

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house but the neighborhood itself and i

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don't know if deanna told you this but

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that neighborhood

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i i'd say maybe a two to three block

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area around that neighborhood i've been

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involved with several cases there

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really um yeah yeah it's

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pretty horrific as well um

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there's a house right off of maple

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street maybe

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i guess about three houses down from her

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that is extremely extremely haunted

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and uh it's it's it's also

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very similar to what she had been you

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know

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that she what she went through with her

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house with all the uh

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the strange activity and uh of course

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like poltergeist activity smells and

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things being moved and all kinds of

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weird things

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others have been others around there

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have been dealing with the same thing

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i i personally believe it's it's not

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only

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because of the people that had lived

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there

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had a lot of stuff going on because the

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history of the area is pretty

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mm-hmm uh pretty profound you know this

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this part of

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a way station for criminals and high

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women

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uh back in the colonial period and there

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were a lot of

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deaths around here uh

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you know between baltimore and

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harrisburg and

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of course philadelphia it seemed like it

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was like a

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a roost for for criminals and highwaymen

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and a lot wouldn't happen not let alone

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the civil war because there was a battle

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here right before gettysburg

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so um yeah it's got a lot of pent-up

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energy

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so uh i i i had

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was born like i said i was born raised

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here

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and um i lived down and i moved and

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lived down in maryland for about 40

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years

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and then when i moved back up here back

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in 2016

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i was immediately getting calls to come

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and

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uh i think i had 28 or 29 i had to look

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calls and investigations

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that year after i got home i got back to

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hanover so it's

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there's a lot going on around here and

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when her case came

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public you know quite frankly it didn't

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surprise me at all

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well you know john zappos wrote the

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forward to our book

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uh hannover thing and one of the things

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that john

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said was that uh it was a perfect storm

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so you had the land that was saturated

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with negative energy

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and a lot of bad things had happened

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there you know the battle of gettysburg

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wasn't that far

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away and a lot of soldiers marched

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through there there were land skirmishes

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back from the 1600s

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murders oh kinds of things and the land

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kind of absorbed that

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and then and then you had deanna coming

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in uh to a house that had uh

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collected several pretty nasty ghosts

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and she was a sensitive and she was very

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vulnerable she was exactly what they

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were looking for they were hoping to

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have somebody they could

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latch onto and control and so there she

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was i mean

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they tried to sell the house to several

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other people

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and the deals fell through until deanna

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walked up on that sidewalk and the

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ghosts were

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immediately enthralled with her they

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knew that she was the one

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and uh so once she when she laid eyes on

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00:21:09,830 --> 00:21:08,640
it she couldn't leave it alone that's

571
00:21:12,390 --> 00:21:09,840
where she needed to live

572
00:21:13,350 --> 00:21:12,400
so i really feel like a lot of things

573
00:21:15,669 --> 00:21:13,360
came together

574
00:21:17,510 --> 00:21:15,679
in one time to create that extreme

575
00:21:21,510 --> 00:21:17,520
haunting

576
00:21:24,870 --> 00:21:21,520
yeah it's uh it did seem that

577
00:21:26,149 --> 00:21:24,880
they kind of persuaded her psychically

578
00:21:29,510 --> 00:21:26,159
to move in that place

579
00:21:32,310 --> 00:21:29,520
oh yeah yeah you know

580
00:21:34,549 --> 00:21:32,320
go ahead no she was just she was

581
00:21:36,070 --> 00:21:34,559
obsessed with it from the very beginning

582
00:21:37,590 --> 00:21:36,080
and there's really if you see the house

583
00:21:39,190 --> 00:21:37,600
it's cute but it's nothing to be

584
00:21:43,270 --> 00:21:39,200
obsessed over

585
00:21:45,270 --> 00:21:43,280
uh she had this she had to live there

586
00:21:48,070 --> 00:21:45,280
you know that there's a a brethren

587
00:21:51,510 --> 00:21:48,080
church across the street from there

588
00:21:54,149 --> 00:21:51,520
and right on right there on maple street

589
00:21:55,510 --> 00:21:54,159
and you know when you when i read in the

590
00:21:59,430 --> 00:21:55,520
book about

591
00:22:01,909 --> 00:21:59,440
the uh the preacher coming in from

592
00:22:03,270 --> 00:22:01,919
across the street and then really

593
00:22:06,310 --> 00:22:03,280
lambasting her and

594
00:22:08,630 --> 00:22:06,320
acting a fool once they got there was

595
00:22:11,830 --> 00:22:08,640
kind of bizarre because

596
00:22:12,789 --> 00:22:11,840
i found out later i mean i found out

597
00:22:15,110 --> 00:22:12,799
earlier

598
00:22:16,470 --> 00:22:15,120
before i read that that when they were

599
00:22:19,669 --> 00:22:16,480
building that

600
00:22:20,950 --> 00:22:19,679
that church there was a lot of activity

601
00:22:23,190 --> 00:22:20,960
going on

602
00:22:24,950 --> 00:22:23,200
in fact a worker was almost killed there

603
00:22:26,310 --> 00:22:24,960
from something that shouldn't have fell

604
00:22:29,510 --> 00:22:26,320
from a height

605
00:22:31,909 --> 00:22:29,520
and fell on him wow yeah

606
00:22:33,190 --> 00:22:31,919
there there just seems to be a lot going

607
00:22:35,669 --> 00:22:33,200
on there

608
00:22:37,430 --> 00:22:35,679
and uh you know i knew about that church

609
00:22:40,470 --> 00:22:37,440
maybe a decade ago

610
00:22:41,990 --> 00:22:40,480
i heard about that so as far as

611
00:22:44,470 --> 00:22:42,000
connecting it with what

612
00:22:45,110 --> 00:22:44,480
happened to her across the street you

613
00:22:47,909 --> 00:22:45,120
know i

614
00:22:49,669 --> 00:22:47,919
just kind of came hand in hand but yeah

615
00:22:52,950 --> 00:22:49,679
it's a bizarre area bizarre

616
00:22:53,990 --> 00:22:52,960
story and uh you know i'll be honest

617
00:22:55,830 --> 00:22:54,000
with you i i

618
00:22:57,590 --> 00:22:55,840
won't be i wouldn't be surprised i get

619
00:23:00,630 --> 00:22:57,600
more cases around there now

620
00:23:03,990 --> 00:23:00,640
again you know so we'll see you know

621
00:23:05,750 --> 00:23:04,000
yeah i'm surprised you haven't uh yeah

622
00:23:07,990 --> 00:23:05,760
i mean you know the house has been

623
00:23:10,549 --> 00:23:08,000
cleared uh it's been cleansed but there

624
00:23:12,230 --> 00:23:10,559
is a portal in the basement that keeps

625
00:23:15,350 --> 00:23:12,240
like letting more things in

626
00:23:18,149 --> 00:23:15,360
so uh people that are living there now

627
00:23:19,830 --> 00:23:18,159
um they're having some experiences but

628
00:23:22,549 --> 00:23:19,840
they're kind of discounting them

629
00:23:23,430 --> 00:23:22,559
um you know they rent the house out to

630
00:23:26,390 --> 00:23:23,440
friends of theirs

631
00:23:28,710 --> 00:23:26,400
and uh my last trip to massachusetts i

632
00:23:29,750 --> 00:23:28,720
stopped by i really wanted to walk in

633
00:23:32,549 --> 00:23:29,760
the house

634
00:23:34,310 --> 00:23:32,559
to see what i felt to see if it really

635
00:23:36,310 --> 00:23:34,320
was truly clear because i knew what it

636
00:23:38,390 --> 00:23:36,320
felt like before and

637
00:23:40,710 --> 00:23:38,400
uh when i walked in i was definitely i

638
00:23:41,269 --> 00:23:40,720
felt the portal i felt things there i

639
00:23:44,070 --> 00:23:41,279
felt

640
00:23:45,110 --> 00:23:44,080
nothing is negative and into full of

641
00:23:47,590 --> 00:23:45,120
malicious intent

642
00:23:49,750 --> 00:23:47,600
as had been there before but there were

643
00:23:51,830 --> 00:23:49,760
there's more ghosts there so

644
00:23:53,590 --> 00:23:51,840
yeah that portal in the basement is

645
00:23:55,350 --> 00:23:53,600
pretty profound i

646
00:23:56,630 --> 00:23:55,360
i got some of the photographs that she

647
00:24:00,310 --> 00:23:56,640
had taken

648
00:24:02,950 --> 00:24:00,320
of that thing opening up and uh i ran it

649
00:24:05,190 --> 00:24:02,960
by a few people and

650
00:24:06,789 --> 00:24:05,200
you know it's probably one like when i

651
00:24:09,430 --> 00:24:06,799
say profound it's probably the most

652
00:24:12,630 --> 00:24:09,440
profound portal that i've ever seen

653
00:24:16,070 --> 00:24:12,640
open up it being so linear and

654
00:24:17,669 --> 00:24:16,080
as compared to others that i have seen

655
00:24:19,350 --> 00:24:17,679
of course now i've been never been in a

656
00:24:20,870 --> 00:24:19,360
house so i didn't sense it but of course

657
00:24:22,870 --> 00:24:20,880
there's a lot of activity going on in

658
00:24:26,230 --> 00:24:22,880
that basement as well

659
00:24:27,110 --> 00:24:26,240
so um you know folks if you if you want

660
00:24:30,470 --> 00:24:27,120
to go back

661
00:24:32,710 --> 00:24:30,480
and read uh or listen to

662
00:24:34,230 --> 00:24:32,720
my interview with deanna it's it's it'll

663
00:24:36,710 --> 00:24:34,240
be it's supposed to hear on

664
00:24:38,149 --> 00:24:36,720
beyond explanation i suggest you you

665
00:24:40,549 --> 00:24:38,159
listen to it because

666
00:24:41,510 --> 00:24:40,559
and your the book was excellent i mean i

667
00:24:45,430 --> 00:24:41,520
you know i was

668
00:24:48,789 --> 00:24:45,440
i was very intrigued by the book

669
00:24:53,110 --> 00:24:48,799
so um so of course

670
00:24:55,669 --> 00:24:53,120
near us you know beyond deanna's house

671
00:24:57,830 --> 00:24:55,679
is gettysburg and gettysburg of course

672
00:25:01,350 --> 00:24:57,840
has that reputation

673
00:25:03,510 --> 00:25:01,360
of uh holding spirit energy and

674
00:25:04,390 --> 00:25:03,520
you know there's a lot of residual but

675
00:25:08,470 --> 00:25:04,400
there's a lot of

676
00:25:14,789 --> 00:25:11,669
intelligent energy as well

677
00:25:17,029 --> 00:25:14,799
i had my most profound my

678
00:25:17,909 --> 00:25:17,039
earliest and most profound experience

679
00:25:21,110 --> 00:25:17,919
there

680
00:25:23,750 --> 00:25:21,120
personally so uh what what have you

681
00:25:25,830 --> 00:25:23,760
experienced there in and around the

682
00:25:27,830 --> 00:25:25,840
gettysburg area

683
00:25:29,909 --> 00:25:27,840
you know it's such an incredible area

684
00:25:31,990 --> 00:25:29,919
and i've really been drawn to it for

685
00:25:32,710 --> 00:25:32,000
years i've been there i think five times

686
00:25:37,909 --> 00:25:32,720
now

687
00:25:39,669 --> 00:25:37,919
me and

688
00:25:41,029 --> 00:25:39,679
when i was in massachusetts it was about

689
00:25:43,029 --> 00:25:41,039
10 hours so

690
00:25:45,110 --> 00:25:43,039
uh for me to keep going back there was

691
00:25:48,149 --> 00:25:45,120
definitely a strong pull there

692
00:25:49,510 --> 00:25:48,159
and i just uh i don't know i was i

693
00:25:50,710 --> 00:25:49,520
became really enthralled with the

694
00:25:52,870 --> 00:25:50,720
history

695
00:25:54,470 --> 00:25:52,880
information that we were getting as

696
00:25:56,789 --> 00:25:54,480
mediums going in

697
00:25:58,630 --> 00:25:56,799
uh we could feel some of their them

698
00:26:01,029 --> 00:25:58,640
lingering around and

699
00:26:03,190 --> 00:26:01,039
at one point i went back uh and i

700
00:26:03,750 --> 00:26:03,200
brought i used to teach a paranormal 101

701
00:26:06,710 --> 00:26:03,760
class

702
00:26:07,909 --> 00:26:06,720
and what ended up happening was a lot of

703
00:26:09,909 --> 00:26:07,919
budding mediums

704
00:26:11,510 --> 00:26:09,919
uh ended up joining the class and we all

705
00:26:13,510 --> 00:26:11,520
kind of grew and learned together and we

706
00:26:15,830 --> 00:26:13,520
got a lot stronger so we decided that we

707
00:26:19,430 --> 00:26:15,840
were going to take a trip to gettysburg

708
00:26:22,390 --> 00:26:19,440
and we were going to spend uh a few days

709
00:26:23,430 --> 00:26:22,400
in uh a campground there we rented a

710
00:26:25,909 --> 00:26:23,440
couple cabins

711
00:26:26,710 --> 00:26:25,919
and we would go out and we'd spend all

712
00:26:28,789 --> 00:26:26,720
day at the

713
00:26:29,909 --> 00:26:28,799
at the battlefields and checking

714
00:26:31,669 --> 00:26:29,919
everything out and

715
00:26:33,350 --> 00:26:31,679
we'd stay until we were you know

716
00:26:35,669 --> 00:26:33,360
basically kicked out

717
00:26:36,789 --> 00:26:35,679
and uh one thing that we were doing was

718
00:26:39,510 --> 00:26:36,799
um

719
00:26:41,269 --> 00:26:39,520
trying to help cross over so if we felt

720
00:26:43,350 --> 00:26:41,279
somebody there we were trying to

721
00:26:44,870 --> 00:26:43,360
help them move on because it just felt

722
00:26:45,909 --> 00:26:44,880
wrong to leave them there if they wanted

723
00:26:48,390 --> 00:26:45,919
to go

724
00:26:50,070 --> 00:26:48,400
and uh together as a group we were very

725
00:26:53,750 --> 00:26:50,080
capable of doing that

726
00:26:56,390 --> 00:26:53,760
and that got somebody very upset

727
00:26:57,350 --> 00:26:56,400
so um we got back to the campground that

728
00:27:00,549 --> 00:26:57,360
night

729
00:27:02,630 --> 00:27:00,559
and we kept feeling like something was

730
00:27:04,149 --> 00:27:02,640
outside we were hearing scratching on

731
00:27:05,269 --> 00:27:04,159
the window we were hearing banging on

732
00:27:07,269 --> 00:27:05,279
the walls

733
00:27:08,549 --> 00:27:07,279
and as mediums we were all picking up on

734
00:27:10,870 --> 00:27:08,559
it and uh

735
00:27:12,230 --> 00:27:10,880
one member of our group went out to get

736
00:27:15,110 --> 00:27:12,240
um

737
00:27:16,310 --> 00:27:15,120
some sage from his car and as he walked

738
00:27:18,870 --> 00:27:16,320
out onto the steps

739
00:27:20,230 --> 00:27:18,880
there was a man standing um at the edge

740
00:27:22,149 --> 00:27:20,240
of the campground

741
00:27:24,070 --> 00:27:22,159
and i should preface this by saying

742
00:27:27,029 --> 00:27:24,080
before he walked out

743
00:27:28,149 --> 00:27:27,039
we were all as a group deciding what

744
00:27:29,830 --> 00:27:28,159
this guy looked like

745
00:27:32,830 --> 00:27:29,840
that was trying to get in and we all

746
00:27:36,230 --> 00:27:32,840
described him exactly the same way

747
00:27:37,750 --> 00:27:36,240
um and when ken got outside to go get

748
00:27:39,909 --> 00:27:37,760
his sage there was the man

749
00:27:42,310 --> 00:27:39,919
that we described standing at the in the

750
00:27:44,149 --> 00:27:42,320
shadows at the edge of the campground

751
00:27:45,590 --> 00:27:44,159
and i really you know it was a scary

752
00:27:47,590 --> 00:27:45,600
night we kept

753
00:27:49,110 --> 00:27:47,600
really trying to push him out and keep

754
00:27:51,269 --> 00:27:49,120
him out and

755
00:27:52,950 --> 00:27:51,279
we would hear banging on the windows and

756
00:27:54,549 --> 00:27:52,960
you know sounds that we couldn't explain

757
00:27:57,909 --> 00:27:54,559
and just that sensation of

758
00:27:59,830 --> 00:27:57,919
somebody coming in and the next day was

759
00:28:02,389 --> 00:27:59,840
the day we were all leaving and

760
00:28:03,750 --> 00:28:02,399
i was going back to indiana and the rest

761
00:28:05,830 --> 00:28:03,760
of them were all going back to

762
00:28:07,750 --> 00:28:05,840
massachusetts they were cutting part of

763
00:28:10,389 --> 00:28:07,760
parting ways which was kind of sad for

764
00:28:12,310 --> 00:28:10,399
me after spending a week with them

765
00:28:14,070 --> 00:28:12,320
and as i got in the car i really never

766
00:28:15,909 --> 00:28:14,080
thought about the fact that this thing

767
00:28:17,430 --> 00:28:15,919
may follow me i thought he was attached

768
00:28:19,909 --> 00:28:17,440
to the land

769
00:28:22,149 --> 00:28:19,919
and as i'm driving i start hearing that

770
00:28:23,190 --> 00:28:22,159
same tone you know as a clairaudient i

771
00:28:25,029 --> 00:28:23,200
hear

772
00:28:27,029 --> 00:28:25,039
the sounds that ghosts make and they're

773
00:28:29,029 --> 00:28:27,039
all a little bit different and you know

774
00:28:30,789 --> 00:28:29,039
like i said earlier when i tune into it

775
00:28:34,630 --> 00:28:30,799
i can get a feeling of who it is

776
00:28:38,470 --> 00:28:34,640
and he was in the car with me um

777
00:28:42,789 --> 00:28:38,480
cutting dark curl most of the way and

778
00:28:44,710 --> 00:28:42,799
as i'm driving one of my mentors

779
00:28:46,310 --> 00:28:44,720
a psychic medium called me and said i

780
00:28:46,950 --> 00:28:46,320
really am picking up something really

781
00:28:48,549 --> 00:28:46,960
bad

782
00:28:50,070 --> 00:28:48,559
he said you're in danger he said you

783
00:28:52,149 --> 00:28:50,080
have a shadow demon

784
00:28:53,830 --> 00:28:52,159
with you somebody latched onto you i

785
00:28:56,230 --> 00:28:53,840
don't know where you are

786
00:28:57,110 --> 00:28:56,240
uh but you know this is something pretty

787
00:28:59,590 --> 00:28:57,120
dangerous

788
00:29:01,430 --> 00:28:59,600
and he said what he's going to do is

789
00:29:02,950 --> 00:29:01,440
he's going to wait till it's dark

790
00:29:05,029 --> 00:29:02,960
and then he's going to pop out he's

791
00:29:07,269 --> 00:29:05,039
going to show himself and pop out

792
00:29:08,870 --> 00:29:07,279
and hopefully you know cause you to have

793
00:29:12,950 --> 00:29:08,880
an accident

794
00:29:15,590 --> 00:29:12,960
and i have um

795
00:29:17,669 --> 00:29:15,600
i have a friend who helps me out with uh

796
00:29:19,430 --> 00:29:17,679
hauntings named michael robicha

797
00:29:21,029 --> 00:29:19,440
and i talk about him on every interview

798
00:29:23,190 --> 00:29:21,039
because he is my hero

799
00:29:25,350 --> 00:29:23,200
he's probably saved me so many times it

800
00:29:27,990 --> 00:29:25,360
can't even count but he's a shaman

801
00:29:30,149 --> 00:29:28,000
and he's able to help me remotely so he

802
00:29:33,750 --> 00:29:30,159
can send in his spirit guides

803
00:29:34,470 --> 00:29:33,760
and help remove whatever is traumatizing

804
00:29:36,230 --> 00:29:34,480
me

805
00:29:38,230 --> 00:29:36,240
but i couldn't get through to michael so

806
00:29:40,149 --> 00:29:38,240
i'm in the car it's starting to get dark

807
00:29:42,230 --> 00:29:40,159
and i can't get a hold of michael and i

808
00:29:44,070 --> 00:29:42,240
kept losing self-service and

809
00:29:45,430 --> 00:29:44,080
i can feel this thing getting stronger

810
00:29:47,909 --> 00:29:45,440
and stronger

811
00:29:49,590 --> 00:29:47,919
and uh i thought this is it this is how

812
00:29:50,950 --> 00:29:49,600
i'm gonna die nobody's gonna know

813
00:29:52,630 --> 00:29:50,960
i'm just gonna have an accident

814
00:29:54,389 --> 00:29:52,640
everybody's just gonna think oh that's

815
00:29:55,830 --> 00:29:54,399
you know really sad she died on the way

816
00:29:57,269 --> 00:29:55,840
back from gettysburg

817
00:29:59,029 --> 00:29:57,279
in a car accident they're not going to

818
00:30:01,190 --> 00:29:59,039
know the whole story

819
00:30:02,710 --> 00:30:01,200
and then at the last minute michael's

820
00:30:04,389 --> 00:30:02,720
guides were able to swoop in

821
00:30:06,310 --> 00:30:04,399
i heard him i can hear his guides they

822
00:30:09,510 --> 00:30:06,320
have a different sound to me

823
00:30:11,110 --> 00:30:09,520
and when darkness came i was safe and

824
00:30:15,750 --> 00:30:11,120
uh that was one of the most terrifying

825
00:30:19,430 --> 00:30:17,669
do you believe as a soldier you think it

826
00:30:21,990 --> 00:30:19,440
was somebody

827
00:30:22,950 --> 00:30:22,000
somebody other than a soldier no i think

828
00:30:25,110 --> 00:30:22,960
you know as

829
00:30:26,230 --> 00:30:25,120
we were pursuing it later we think that

830
00:30:29,029 --> 00:30:26,240
it was probably

831
00:30:30,470 --> 00:30:29,039
um something drawn there by all the

832
00:30:33,750 --> 00:30:30,480
deaths and all the

833
00:30:35,430 --> 00:30:33,760
um anguish and emotions that he was

834
00:30:36,549 --> 00:30:35,440
feeding on the souls that were still

835
00:30:39,590 --> 00:30:36,559
lingering

836
00:30:41,029 --> 00:30:39,600
and got very upset when we actually were

837
00:30:44,389 --> 00:30:41,039
crossing some of his

838
00:30:46,230 --> 00:30:44,399
food supply over basically uh so he was

839
00:30:50,470 --> 00:30:46,240
going to teach us a lesson and i was the

840
00:30:53,110 --> 00:30:50,480
easiest one to latch on to

841
00:30:54,070 --> 00:30:53,120
you know there has been um there have

842
00:30:57,830 --> 00:30:54,080
been several

843
00:30:58,710 --> 00:30:57,840
incidents of um maybe something similar

844
00:31:00,950 --> 00:30:58,720
to that

845
00:31:03,990 --> 00:31:00,960
and i don't know if it's the same one or

846
00:31:06,070 --> 00:31:04,000
not but i have had people tell me uh

847
00:31:08,389 --> 00:31:06,080
that they've seen apparitions of

848
00:31:10,070 --> 00:31:08,399
what looked like like these old-time

849
00:31:12,870 --> 00:31:10,080
preachers with the black hat

850
00:31:14,630 --> 00:31:12,880
you know the white brim hat you know i

851
00:31:15,990 --> 00:31:14,640
don't know if it's just like

852
00:31:18,630 --> 00:31:16,000
somewhat of a thing with a hat like a

853
00:31:20,549 --> 00:31:18,640
hat man or a shadow person but

854
00:31:23,590 --> 00:31:20,559
i have heard a lot of that from people

855
00:31:25,909 --> 00:31:23,600
who live in around gettysburg

856
00:31:27,669 --> 00:31:25,919
that have seen that type of apparition

857
00:31:30,870 --> 00:31:27,679
especially

858
00:31:32,950 --> 00:31:30,880
up on route 30 which is the uh

859
00:31:34,389 --> 00:31:32,960
which is the main road that goes into

860
00:31:36,310 --> 00:31:34,399
gettysburg

861
00:31:38,310 --> 00:31:36,320
from the western you know from the

862
00:31:40,789 --> 00:31:38,320
western side and uh

863
00:31:41,990 --> 00:31:40,799
going up into the mountains there's a

864
00:31:45,350 --> 00:31:42,000
lot of cabins and

865
00:31:49,190 --> 00:31:45,360
um residents

866
00:31:51,590 --> 00:31:49,200
along that route that have a lot of

867
00:31:53,990 --> 00:31:51,600
activity i mean a lot of activity now

868
00:31:58,070 --> 00:31:54,000
why that is i don't know

869
00:32:00,149 --> 00:31:58,080
but uh you know this type of entity has

870
00:32:02,230 --> 00:32:00,159
been seen a lot and been reported to me

871
00:32:05,350 --> 00:32:02,240
and others a lot as well

872
00:32:05,750 --> 00:32:05,360
it's just it's just a strange area you

873
00:32:07,909 --> 00:32:05,760
know

874
00:32:09,190 --> 00:32:07,919
i've been to a lot of battlefields in my

875
00:32:12,149 --> 00:32:09,200
time

876
00:32:12,710 --> 00:32:12,159
but uh you know gettysburg for whatever

877
00:32:15,990 --> 00:32:12,720
reason

878
00:32:18,470 --> 00:32:16,000
it it just seems to be

879
00:32:20,230 --> 00:32:18,480
you know just being is able to hold that

880
00:32:22,549 --> 00:32:20,240
energy as compared to other but

881
00:32:24,710 --> 00:32:22,559
maybe it's a topography and there's a

882
00:32:25,590 --> 00:32:24,720
lot of limestone in that area it's a lot

883
00:32:29,350 --> 00:32:25,600
you know it's got a

884
00:32:32,950 --> 00:32:29,360
it's got a weird topography compared to

885
00:32:35,269 --> 00:32:32,960
most other places in the in east uh

886
00:32:36,789 --> 00:32:35,279
this part of the country i don't know

887
00:32:39,990 --> 00:32:36,799
what it is i mean do you have any

888
00:32:43,029 --> 00:32:42,230
i think you know the battles that

889
00:32:45,110 --> 00:32:43,039
happened there

890
00:32:46,630 --> 00:32:45,120
were pretty profound and i think that

891
00:32:49,029 --> 00:32:46,640
the land recorded that

892
00:32:49,990 --> 00:32:49,039
uh remembered so i think that holds on

893
00:32:52,870 --> 00:32:50,000
to it's like

894
00:32:53,269 --> 00:32:52,880
you know like attracts like so um you

895
00:32:55,430 --> 00:32:53,279
know

896
00:32:57,830 --> 00:32:55,440
if you have a lot of energy in one

897
00:33:00,549 --> 00:32:57,840
location other energy's going to join it

898
00:33:01,509 --> 00:33:00,559
and um sometimes you know i'm not saying

899
00:33:03,269 --> 00:33:01,519
gettysburg is

900
00:33:04,630 --> 00:33:03,279
a lot of negative energy a lot of it's

901
00:33:06,870 --> 00:33:04,640
just sad

902
00:33:08,230 --> 00:33:06,880
um you know it's very hallowed ground

903
00:33:10,870 --> 00:33:08,240
when you're walking through there

904
00:33:12,470 --> 00:33:10,880
uh it's unlike anything i've ever felt

905
00:33:14,710 --> 00:33:12,480
that's probably why i'm so

906
00:33:15,990 --> 00:33:14,720
pulled there made me want to learn more

907
00:33:18,789 --> 00:33:16,000
about the history and

908
00:33:21,430 --> 00:33:18,799
really you know help if i could uh a lot

909
00:33:26,070 --> 00:33:21,440
of residual energy there

910
00:33:27,590 --> 00:33:26,080
yeah yeah it is a lot of residual energy

911
00:33:29,190 --> 00:33:27,600
i have people telling me all the time

912
00:33:31,509 --> 00:33:29,200
they see

913
00:33:32,230 --> 00:33:31,519
lines of soldiers walking across fields

914
00:33:38,389 --> 00:33:32,240
and

915
00:33:41,669 --> 00:33:38,399
recently there had been this apparition

916
00:33:45,269 --> 00:33:41,679
scene near a cannonade

917
00:33:46,549 --> 00:33:45,279
uh up off the um the area the first day

918
00:33:48,789 --> 00:33:46,559
of the battle which is

919
00:33:50,549 --> 00:33:48,799
the western part of get uh the

920
00:33:53,190 --> 00:33:50,559
battlefield

921
00:33:54,149 --> 00:33:53,200
well i've known about that for about 20

922
00:33:55,990 --> 00:33:54,159
years now

923
00:33:58,230 --> 00:33:56,000
this thing seems to show up all the time

924
00:34:00,950 --> 00:33:58,240
so it's a residual energy

925
00:34:02,950 --> 00:34:00,960
so uh you know those type of apparitions

926
00:34:05,190 --> 00:34:02,960
are pretty well known

927
00:34:06,710 --> 00:34:05,200
and uh you know i used to see when i was

928
00:34:07,669 --> 00:34:06,720
a kid i used to sneak on that

929
00:34:11,190 --> 00:34:07,679
battlefield and

930
00:34:12,950 --> 00:34:11,200
stay overnight camp out uh you get away

931
00:34:14,310 --> 00:34:12,960
with it back then you can't now

932
00:34:16,629 --> 00:34:14,320
because they closed everything off and

933
00:34:18,629 --> 00:34:16,639
they actually control everything

934
00:34:20,629 --> 00:34:18,639
but uh yeah i've seen a lot of things

935
00:34:25,190 --> 00:34:20,639
out there and uh

936
00:34:28,389 --> 00:34:25,200
you know i guess being a kid it kind of

937
00:34:30,310 --> 00:34:28,399
uh imprints you or maybe i don't know

938
00:34:30,950 --> 00:34:30,320
what it does but you know like i said i

939
00:34:32,950 --> 00:34:30,960
had

940
00:34:34,470 --> 00:34:32,960
some pretty pretty interesting

941
00:34:36,950 --> 00:34:34,480
encounters

942
00:34:37,990 --> 00:34:36,960
and of course you know people have known

943
00:34:41,430 --> 00:34:38,000
about that

944
00:34:42,149 --> 00:34:41,440
gettysburg being haunted for for many

945
00:34:45,270 --> 00:34:42,159
decades

946
00:34:46,470 --> 00:34:45,280
but you know with the paranormal craze

947
00:34:49,510 --> 00:34:46,480
now in the past

948
00:34:52,389 --> 00:34:49,520
10 15 years it just seems to be

949
00:34:54,629 --> 00:34:52,399
more more people are aware of it and and

950
00:34:57,190 --> 00:34:54,639
go there just for that

951
00:34:57,750 --> 00:34:57,200
yeah definitely well we kept you know

952
00:34:59,750 --> 00:34:57,760
for me

953
00:35:01,829 --> 00:34:59,760
i kept forgetting about the paranormal

954
00:35:04,870 --> 00:35:01,839
because i would get so

955
00:35:05,670 --> 00:35:04,880
into the history and uh just i think it

956
00:35:07,670 --> 00:35:05,680
was

957
00:35:08,790 --> 00:35:07,680
really fascinating to me how everything

958
00:35:10,710 --> 00:35:08,800
looks the same

959
00:35:12,550 --> 00:35:10,720
that it did back then you know you could

960
00:35:13,910 --> 00:35:12,560
look at the pictures from the battle

961
00:35:15,349 --> 00:35:13,920
and and then you could stand right in

962
00:35:16,310 --> 00:35:15,359
front of where that was and everything

963
00:35:18,230 --> 00:35:16,320
looks exciting

964
00:35:19,430 --> 00:35:18,240
the same except there's no dead bodies

965
00:35:21,829 --> 00:35:19,440
and you know

966
00:35:23,190 --> 00:35:21,839
uh i don't know it just it was just

967
00:35:25,510 --> 00:35:23,200
profound to me

968
00:35:26,950 --> 00:35:25,520
being there yeah they you know the

969
00:35:27,510 --> 00:35:26,960
government has taken care of that but

970
00:35:29,990 --> 00:35:27,520
it'll feel

971
00:35:30,870 --> 00:35:30,000
very well and you know other than you

972
00:35:33,589 --> 00:35:30,880
know all the

973
00:35:35,829 --> 00:35:33,599
statuary or the memorials that are on

974
00:35:37,750 --> 00:35:35,839
the on the battlefield being there

975
00:35:39,349 --> 00:35:37,760
if you took those away it would look

976
00:35:39,990 --> 00:35:39,359
very close to what it looked like back

977
00:35:43,109 --> 00:35:40,000
then

978
00:35:45,109 --> 00:35:43,119
yeah yeah i i actually

979
00:35:46,390 --> 00:35:45,119
used to conduct tours on their private

980
00:35:49,349 --> 00:35:46,400
tours

981
00:35:50,790 --> 00:35:49,359
and when i was younger and uh yeah the

982
00:35:54,870 --> 00:35:50,800
history

983
00:35:57,270 --> 00:35:54,880
when you think about it

984
00:35:57,990 --> 00:35:57,280
uh some of the stories of certain

985
00:36:00,790 --> 00:35:58,000
individuals

986
00:36:01,190 --> 00:36:00,800
during that battle it's pretty easy to

987
00:36:06,230 --> 00:36:01,200
see

988
00:36:07,990 --> 00:36:06,240
why things you know things happen there

989
00:36:10,470 --> 00:36:08,000
you know and also i think people i think

990
00:36:12,710 --> 00:36:10,480
when people come there

991
00:36:14,150 --> 00:36:12,720
knowing the history i think you know i i

992
00:36:17,190 --> 00:36:14,160
believe a lot of in

993
00:36:19,349 --> 00:36:17,200
thought form and tulpas i

994
00:36:20,630 --> 00:36:19,359
i think people kind of leave an imprint

995
00:36:24,150 --> 00:36:20,640
there as well

996
00:36:26,150 --> 00:36:24,160
that's very possible very well because

997
00:36:27,589 --> 00:36:26,160
we're all have that expectation of what

998
00:36:31,190 --> 00:36:27,599
we're going to feel or see

999
00:36:34,790 --> 00:36:31,200
and um you know

1000
00:36:38,150 --> 00:36:34,800
intent is very powerful now

1001
00:36:40,550 --> 00:36:38,160
your new book i'm kind of interested in

1002
00:36:41,430 --> 00:36:40,560
some of the descriptions from others on

1003
00:36:44,870 --> 00:36:41,440
how they sense

1004
00:36:47,589 --> 00:36:44,880
energy that's fascinating to me uh

1005
00:36:49,910 --> 00:36:47,599
when ghosts are near uh can you kind of

1006
00:36:52,310 --> 00:36:49,920
talk about some of those uh

1007
00:36:53,349 --> 00:36:52,320
some of those parts of the book yeah

1008
00:36:55,430 --> 00:36:53,359
absolutely

1009
00:36:57,109 --> 00:36:55,440
so it's kind of divided into categories

1010
00:36:59,430 --> 00:36:57,119
of how people feel

1011
00:37:00,870 --> 00:36:59,440
how people feel ghosts and there's a

1012
00:37:03,030 --> 00:37:00,880
talks about people that are

1013
00:37:04,470 --> 00:37:03,040
clairaudient that hear sounds like i do

1014
00:37:06,790 --> 00:37:04,480
um there's other

1015
00:37:08,390 --> 00:37:06,800
categories like clairsentience people

1016
00:37:11,430 --> 00:37:08,400
that feel the paranormal

1017
00:37:13,190 --> 00:37:11,440
physically and a couple of my friends

1018
00:37:15,430 --> 00:37:13,200
actually feel like a tingling on their

1019
00:37:18,230 --> 00:37:15,440
scalp when there's a ghost near

1020
00:37:19,829 --> 00:37:18,240
and uh i've talked a lot about my friend

1021
00:37:21,910 --> 00:37:19,839
sandy macleod because when

1022
00:37:23,990 --> 00:37:21,920
i was really starting to explore my

1023
00:37:27,349 --> 00:37:24,000
abilities she was too

1024
00:37:30,150 --> 00:37:27,359
and we would validate for each other and

1025
00:37:32,069 --> 00:37:30,160
she would feel a touch on her scalp and

1026
00:37:33,349 --> 00:37:32,079
she started learning that if it were

1027
00:37:36,230 --> 00:37:33,359
in a certain place she could

1028
00:37:38,870 --> 00:37:36,240
differentiate between male and female or

1029
00:37:40,470 --> 00:37:38,880
um you know my friend tracy hayne is

1030
00:37:42,710 --> 00:37:40,480
also clairsentient

1031
00:37:44,390 --> 00:37:42,720
and one thing she said she can tell if

1032
00:37:46,550 --> 00:37:44,400
it's a child that the touch is much

1033
00:37:48,550 --> 00:37:46,560
lighter it's almost like a tickle

1034
00:37:50,950 --> 00:37:48,560
um then there's other people that have

1035
00:37:53,510 --> 00:37:50,960
the sensation of being watched

1036
00:37:55,190 --> 00:37:53,520
and um i think that was that one is big

1037
00:37:57,349 --> 00:37:55,200
for me too because

1038
00:37:59,670 --> 00:37:57,359
my clairaudience is always accompanied

1039
00:38:01,750 --> 00:37:59,680
by the sense that somebody's there

1040
00:38:03,510 --> 00:38:01,760
and i remember one of the first times i

1041
00:38:04,630 --> 00:38:03,520
really had this happen i was at rolling

1042
00:38:07,750 --> 00:38:04,640
hills asylum

1043
00:38:09,349 --> 00:38:07,760
up in upstate new york and if you've

1044
00:38:11,270 --> 00:38:09,359
never been to there make them try to

1045
00:38:13,030 --> 00:38:11,280
make plans to go because it's incredibly

1046
00:38:16,470 --> 00:38:13,040
haunted very active

1047
00:38:19,430 --> 00:38:16,480
and interactive and my group was

1048
00:38:21,270 --> 00:38:19,440
having a evp session in the room that

1049
00:38:23,750 --> 00:38:21,280
was the chapel

1050
00:38:25,670 --> 00:38:23,760
and i kind of i kind of got bored and i

1051
00:38:26,870 --> 00:38:25,680
decided i was going to walk outside with

1052
00:38:28,550 --> 00:38:26,880
i had a camera

1053
00:38:30,150 --> 00:38:28,560
and i wanted to take a picture of the

1054
00:38:31,750 --> 00:38:30,160
long hallway because it was just

1055
00:38:34,550 --> 00:38:31,760
you know it's like an old hospital with

1056
00:38:36,710 --> 00:38:34,560
all the doors and just very spooky

1057
00:38:38,550 --> 00:38:36,720
and i had my digital recorder i had it

1058
00:38:39,190 --> 00:38:38,560
with me and as i'm trying to take

1059
00:38:40,710 --> 00:38:39,200
picture

1060
00:38:42,390 --> 00:38:40,720
of the hallway my camera kept

1061
00:38:43,349 --> 00:38:42,400
malfunctioning i thought well this is

1062
00:38:46,710 --> 00:38:43,359
weird

1063
00:38:48,630 --> 00:38:46,720
and i didn't learn why until i got home

1064
00:38:50,150 --> 00:38:48,640
and listened to my audio recorder at

1065
00:38:51,109 --> 00:38:50,160
that time when i was trying to take the

1066
00:38:53,030 --> 00:38:51,119
picture

1067
00:38:54,310 --> 00:38:53,040
there was somebody whispering in the ep

1068
00:38:56,550 --> 00:38:54,320
in the uh recorder

1069
00:38:57,510 --> 00:38:56,560
saying uh we've got to get her camera

1070
00:39:00,470 --> 00:38:57,520
off her

1071
00:39:01,990 --> 00:39:00,480
and it was kind of in a sing-song voice

1072
00:39:03,270 --> 00:39:02,000
so they were trying to mess with my

1073
00:39:06,550 --> 00:39:03,280
camera

1074
00:39:07,990 --> 00:39:06,560
um so but that came with the sensation

1075
00:39:09,990 --> 00:39:08,000
of being watched

1076
00:39:11,670 --> 00:39:10,000
and there's stories in here about people

1077
00:39:14,790 --> 00:39:11,680
seeing ghosts there's one girl

1078
00:39:16,310 --> 00:39:14,800
named kira emily uh who was coming back

1079
00:39:18,470 --> 00:39:16,320
from lizzie borden

1080
00:39:21,270 --> 00:39:18,480
investigation and she got on the wrong

1081
00:39:22,870 --> 00:39:21,280
road and she ended up on route 44

1082
00:39:25,430 --> 00:39:22,880
uh which is where the red-headed

1083
00:39:28,470 --> 00:39:25,440
hitchhiker is often seen

1084
00:39:30,069 --> 00:39:28,480
and uh so she actually um she saw

1085
00:39:31,910 --> 00:39:30,079
something and people see this

1086
00:39:34,230 --> 00:39:31,920
hitchhiker walking along the side of the

1087
00:39:35,990 --> 00:39:34,240
road and as she's driving she saw all

1088
00:39:39,430 --> 00:39:36,000
she saw were legs

1089
00:39:40,950 --> 00:39:39,440
at feet and ankles and up ahead and as

1090
00:39:42,390 --> 00:39:40,960
she got closer she thought well i'm

1091
00:39:43,430 --> 00:39:42,400
going to see the whole body and she

1092
00:39:45,030 --> 00:39:43,440
never did

1093
00:39:46,950 --> 00:39:45,040
and then she turned around to look

1094
00:39:48,550 --> 00:39:46,960
behind her in the rearview mirror and

1095
00:39:50,630 --> 00:39:48,560
when she looked up there was a flash of

1096
00:39:53,750 --> 00:39:50,640
red right in front of her in the road

1097
00:39:56,470 --> 00:39:53,760
and then it just disappeared so um

1098
00:39:59,109 --> 00:39:56,480
and this bad luck is another sign uh

1099
00:40:02,150 --> 00:39:59,119
people have uh we investigated

1100
00:40:02,950 --> 00:40:02,160
a location where um the people were

1101
00:40:04,470 --> 00:40:02,960
having

1102
00:40:06,390 --> 00:40:04,480
just so much bad luck this woman had

1103
00:40:09,750 --> 00:40:06,400
just bought this huge property

1104
00:40:11,190 --> 00:40:09,760
and it had a house uh two houses and uh

1105
00:40:14,470 --> 00:40:11,200
a large

1106
00:40:14,790 --> 00:40:14,480
um recreational kind of center used to

1107
00:40:17,990 --> 00:40:14,800
be

1108
00:40:20,230 --> 00:40:18,000
um a private gym and

1109
00:40:21,589 --> 00:40:20,240
they had a garage there and everything

1110
00:40:22,550 --> 00:40:21,599
they would bring onto the property

1111
00:40:26,230 --> 00:40:22,560
seemed like it broke

1112
00:40:28,870 --> 00:40:26,240
motorcycles cars lawn mowers computers

1113
00:40:29,750 --> 00:40:28,880
uh digital equipment machinery and it

1114
00:40:32,309 --> 00:40:29,760
was just

1115
00:40:34,710 --> 00:40:32,319
constant so we came in uh and

1116
00:40:36,950 --> 00:40:34,720
investigated that and learned that

1117
00:40:38,069 --> 00:40:36,960
the previous owner had tried to start up

1118
00:40:40,870 --> 00:40:38,079
a gym there

1119
00:40:42,630 --> 00:40:40,880
and he ended up going bankrupt and lost

1120
00:40:44,470 --> 00:40:42,640
it and then he ended up dying

1121
00:40:46,950 --> 00:40:44,480
and i think he just did not want them to

1122
00:40:50,390 --> 00:40:46,960
be successful there because he wasn't

1123
00:40:51,990 --> 00:40:50,400
so he was causing everything to break so

1124
00:40:54,390 --> 00:40:52,000
you know and there's other people have

1125
00:40:54,950 --> 00:40:54,400
had stories um stories about pets and

1126
00:40:59,270 --> 00:40:54,960
ghosts

1127
00:41:00,710 --> 00:40:59,280
i mean um anybody that has a cat and has

1128
00:41:02,390 --> 00:41:00,720
a ghost

1129
00:41:04,150 --> 00:41:02,400
are gonna know about the ghost because

1130
00:41:06,069 --> 00:41:04,160
the cat is gonna be watching the ghost

1131
00:41:09,430 --> 00:41:06,079
it depends on the cat but

1132
00:41:11,430 --> 00:41:09,440
uh mine seem very preoccupied by ghosts

1133
00:41:12,790 --> 00:41:11,440
and sometimes it's a little startling uh

1134
00:41:14,870 --> 00:41:12,800
especially if you're laying in bed and

1135
00:41:17,030 --> 00:41:14,880
you're getting ready to go to sleep

1136
00:41:19,030 --> 00:41:17,040
and uh you know for me i can hear them

1137
00:41:20,870 --> 00:41:19,040
and i know there's something above me

1138
00:41:22,950 --> 00:41:20,880
and then my cat starts watching

1139
00:41:24,710 --> 00:41:22,960
something above me and tracking it over

1140
00:41:25,270 --> 00:41:24,720
the side of the bed and into the corner

1141
00:41:26,550 --> 00:41:25,280
and

1142
00:41:28,390 --> 00:41:26,560
you know then i'm supposed to turn the

1143
00:41:30,630 --> 00:41:28,400
light off and go to sleep

1144
00:41:31,430 --> 00:41:30,640
um so a lot of people use pets as

1145
00:41:33,109 --> 00:41:31,440
validation

1146
00:41:34,550 --> 00:41:33,119
i see you nodding have you had that

1147
00:41:37,829 --> 00:41:34,560
experience

1148
00:41:38,790 --> 00:41:37,839
oh yeah plenty of times i uh i have a

1149
00:41:41,430 --> 00:41:38,800
cat and he

1150
00:41:42,470 --> 00:41:41,440
he does that all the time and i i know

1151
00:41:45,829 --> 00:41:42,480
that's what he's doing

1152
00:41:47,910 --> 00:41:45,839
and um you know

1153
00:41:50,069 --> 00:41:47,920
it's funny we lived in it we lived in an

1154
00:41:53,750 --> 00:41:50,079
apartment years ago

1155
00:41:56,230 --> 00:41:53,760
we had two dogs also and my dog

1156
00:41:58,550 --> 00:41:56,240
why one dog especially my dalmatian he

1157
00:42:01,190 --> 00:41:58,560
used to lay on the sofa

1158
00:42:02,069 --> 00:42:01,200
and he'd be laying there sleeping and he

1159
00:42:06,630 --> 00:42:02,079
jumped up

1160
00:42:09,589 --> 00:42:06,640
like something jumped on it and i knew

1161
00:42:10,710 --> 00:42:09,599
that's what it was because one at one

1162
00:42:13,030 --> 00:42:10,720
point

1163
00:42:15,349 --> 00:42:13,040
i actually got a glimpse of something

1164
00:42:18,230 --> 00:42:15,359
moving off of him

1165
00:42:19,030 --> 00:42:18,240
so i'm moving off for her and uh yeah

1166
00:42:23,030 --> 00:42:19,040
and i knew

1167
00:42:24,870 --> 00:42:23,040
we had cat spirits and dog spirits

1168
00:42:26,950 --> 00:42:24,880
around there you know

1169
00:42:28,950 --> 00:42:26,960
you know and i think most people do have

1170
00:42:31,349 --> 00:42:28,960
that you know for whatever reason i

1171
00:42:35,030 --> 00:42:31,359
think people that live in apartments

1172
00:42:36,870 --> 00:42:35,040
and uh residences that are used over and

1173
00:42:40,150 --> 00:42:36,880
over i think

1174
00:42:43,349 --> 00:42:40,160
i think animals leave their imprint very

1175
00:42:44,710 --> 00:42:43,359
very many times and i think other

1176
00:42:48,230 --> 00:42:44,720
animals in particular

1177
00:42:51,109 --> 00:42:48,240
pick up on that i think so too

1178
00:42:53,430 --> 00:42:51,119
um one of my friends has a lot of cats

1179
00:42:55,430 --> 00:42:53,440
and always has had a lot of cats and

1180
00:42:57,430 --> 00:42:55,440
um they all jump on the bed

1181
00:42:59,829 --> 00:42:57,440
distinctively different

1182
00:43:01,109 --> 00:42:59,839
and uh after they passed she can tell

1183
00:43:03,109 --> 00:43:01,119
you which cat is

1184
00:43:04,470 --> 00:43:03,119
on the bed or jumped up you know in

1185
00:43:06,630 --> 00:43:04,480
spirit form because

1186
00:43:08,309 --> 00:43:06,640
one of them jumps up like a bowling ball

1187
00:43:10,309 --> 00:43:08,319
because he was a heavy cat

1188
00:43:11,510 --> 00:43:10,319
and another one walks around the whole

1189
00:43:13,270 --> 00:43:11,520
edge of the bed

1190
00:43:14,630 --> 00:43:13,280
and then tucks itself in next to her in

1191
00:43:16,390 --> 00:43:14,640
the pillow so

1192
00:43:18,069 --> 00:43:16,400
you know she can tell you which cat is

1193
00:43:21,510 --> 00:43:18,079
coming to visit on each night

1194
00:43:24,950 --> 00:43:21,520
so i think that's kind of neat

1195
00:43:27,430 --> 00:43:24,960
wow well you know i

1196
00:43:29,510 --> 00:43:27,440
i i had a question here in the chat

1197
00:43:31,190 --> 00:43:29,520
about spirit rescue

1198
00:43:33,030 --> 00:43:31,200
uh i've been involved with spear rescue

1199
00:43:34,550 --> 00:43:33,040
for a long time but uh

1200
00:43:36,710 --> 00:43:34,560
have you ever done that any of the

1201
00:43:39,430 --> 00:43:36,720
spirit rescue yourself

1202
00:43:40,790 --> 00:43:39,440
yes absolutely it's a lot of times it's

1203
00:43:43,190 --> 00:43:40,800
a priority

1204
00:43:44,150 --> 00:43:43,200
uh when i get called into a location i

1205
00:43:45,990 --> 00:43:44,160
want to find out

1206
00:43:47,270 --> 00:43:46,000
who's there and why they're there and if

1207
00:43:49,349 --> 00:43:47,280
they need help

1208
00:43:50,710 --> 00:43:49,359
and uh you know the homeowner is also

1209
00:43:53,270 --> 00:43:50,720
important to me

1210
00:43:54,550 --> 00:43:53,280
um because i want uh i want to make sure

1211
00:43:57,430 --> 00:43:54,560
that they're comfortable

1212
00:43:58,630 --> 00:43:57,440
in a lot of situations it's just um the

1213
00:44:00,309 --> 00:43:58,640
ghost is some

1214
00:44:02,710 --> 00:44:00,319
there before and they're quite happy

1215
00:44:04,790 --> 00:44:02,720
being there they don't want to move on

1216
00:44:07,030 --> 00:44:04,800
but we have had a lot of situations

1217
00:44:09,190 --> 00:44:07,040
where somebody's trapped and they're not

1218
00:44:09,589 --> 00:44:09,200
happy and they don't know how they got

1219
00:44:12,550 --> 00:44:09,599
there

1220
00:44:13,190 --> 00:44:12,560
and they want to pass a message on and

1221
00:44:15,510 --> 00:44:13,200
um

1222
00:44:17,829 --> 00:44:15,520
yeah so if they're willing to go to move

1223
00:44:20,069 --> 00:44:17,839
on i can cross them over

1224
00:44:21,030 --> 00:44:20,079
i can't cross them if they don't want to

1225
00:44:22,790 --> 00:44:21,040
go

1226
00:44:24,870 --> 00:44:22,800
so a lot of times you get into almost

1227
00:44:25,750 --> 00:44:24,880
like you become a psychologist to the

1228
00:44:28,470 --> 00:44:25,760
dead

1229
00:44:30,230 --> 00:44:28,480
and you know you're counseling and

1230
00:44:31,030 --> 00:44:30,240
coaching them and telling them look you

1231
00:44:32,390 --> 00:44:31,040
know

1232
00:44:34,069 --> 00:44:32,400
you're not supposed to be here you're

1233
00:44:35,829 --> 00:44:34,079
supposed to move on you know go be with

1234
00:44:36,950 --> 00:44:35,839
your loved ones you can still come back

1235
00:44:39,910 --> 00:44:36,960
and visit

1236
00:44:41,750 --> 00:44:39,920
but just in a different form um you know

1237
00:44:42,470 --> 00:44:41,760
i differentiate between ghosts and

1238
00:44:44,069 --> 00:44:42,480
spirits

1239
00:44:46,150 --> 00:44:44,079
a ghost to somebody who has never

1240
00:44:48,230 --> 00:44:46,160
crossed over their earthbound

1241
00:44:49,990 --> 00:44:48,240
they don't know anything more than uh

1242
00:44:51,430 --> 00:44:50,000
what they've experienced as a living

1243
00:44:53,109 --> 00:44:51,440
person so they don't know what heaven

1244
00:44:54,470 --> 00:44:53,119
looks like uh they don't know that

1245
00:44:55,990 --> 00:44:54,480
process

1246
00:44:57,829 --> 00:44:56,000
and they don't have their spiritual

1247
00:44:59,670 --> 00:44:57,839
enlightenment i feel like once you've

1248
00:45:01,109 --> 00:44:59,680
crossed over and gone to heaven

1249
00:45:02,470 --> 00:45:01,119
you've had time to spend with your

1250
00:45:04,150 --> 00:45:02,480
spirit guides you've gone through

1251
00:45:05,510 --> 00:45:04,160
counseling and uh

1252
00:45:07,349 --> 00:45:05,520
you know almost like going to the

1253
00:45:08,470 --> 00:45:07,359
hospital especially for a traumatic

1254
00:45:12,550 --> 00:45:08,480
death

1255
00:45:15,109 --> 00:45:12,560
um so you know spirits can come back

1256
00:45:16,829 --> 00:45:15,119
but they've gone through that elevated

1257
00:45:17,990 --> 00:45:16,839
status so they come back with more

1258
00:45:19,990 --> 00:45:18,000
knowledge

1259
00:45:21,270 --> 00:45:20,000
uh so we try to you know we always try

1260
00:45:23,109 --> 00:45:21,280
to help them and

1261
00:45:26,150 --> 00:45:23,119
for me when i cross them over it's such

1262
00:45:29,349 --> 00:45:26,160
a beautiful feeling um i always picture

1263
00:45:31,430 --> 00:45:29,359
a cone of white going white like going

1264
00:45:33,990 --> 00:45:31,440
straight up into the heavens and

1265
00:45:35,829 --> 00:45:34,000
uh i become almost the portal for them

1266
00:45:37,349 --> 00:45:35,839
to cross through i feel them

1267
00:45:38,950 --> 00:45:37,359
when they want to cross i feel a

1268
00:45:40,790 --> 00:45:38,960
tingling at my ankles

1269
00:45:42,710 --> 00:45:40,800
and then i'll keep talking to them

1270
00:45:44,790 --> 00:45:42,720
telling them call to your loved ones

1271
00:45:45,990 --> 00:45:44,800
you know go to go be where you need to

1272
00:45:49,510 --> 00:45:46,000
be and you let go

1273
00:45:50,950 --> 00:45:49,520
of this you know sadness and agony that

1274
00:45:53,430 --> 00:45:50,960
you've been latched onto

1275
00:45:54,470 --> 00:45:53,440
and if they cross over i feel that cold

1276
00:45:57,190 --> 00:45:54,480
show

1277
00:45:58,069 --> 00:45:57,200
travel up my body and then it comes out

1278
00:46:00,390 --> 00:45:58,079
through the crown

1279
00:46:01,990 --> 00:46:00,400
of my head and afterwards i'm just

1280
00:46:04,230 --> 00:46:02,000
almost giddy

1281
00:46:05,030 --> 00:46:04,240
and uh you know i've done it quite a few

1282
00:46:08,630 --> 00:46:05,040
times and it's

1283
00:46:10,470 --> 00:46:08,640
one of the most um

1284
00:46:11,990 --> 00:46:10,480
monumental things i feel like i've ever

1285
00:46:15,109 --> 00:46:12,000
done as a human being is

1286
00:46:15,829 --> 00:46:15,119
to release somebody who's been trapped

1287
00:46:18,870 --> 00:46:15,839
here for

1288
00:46:21,349 --> 00:46:18,880
you know sometimes 100 years

1289
00:46:23,190 --> 00:46:21,359
they've been just living there and

1290
00:46:25,190 --> 00:46:23,200
sometimes we've crossed them over

1291
00:46:27,109 --> 00:46:25,200
um they've crossed over on their own

1292
00:46:29,990 --> 00:46:27,119
after we've talked to them

1293
00:46:32,390 --> 00:46:30,000
so you know doing my ghost walks and

1294
00:46:33,910 --> 00:46:32,400
investigations here in town there are

1295
00:46:35,750 --> 00:46:33,920
a lot of ghosts that are hanging around

1296
00:46:38,870 --> 00:46:35,760
that have been around for 200 years

1297
00:46:41,109 --> 00:46:38,880
and uh one of them was a suicide victim

1298
00:46:43,030 --> 00:46:41,119
um but every time we would go to the

1299
00:46:45,349 --> 00:46:43,040
building you would feel him very very

1300
00:46:47,109 --> 00:46:45,359
powerfully strong in one room

1301
00:46:49,190 --> 00:46:47,119
and every time we would go we just

1302
00:46:51,270 --> 00:46:49,200
talked to and we'd say you know look

1303
00:46:52,630 --> 00:46:51,280
god loves you you're allowed in heaven

1304
00:46:54,630 --> 00:46:52,640
even though you heard that

1305
00:46:55,670 --> 00:46:54,640
you know suicide's immortal sin and

1306
00:46:58,069 --> 00:46:55,680
you're going to hell

1307
00:46:59,670 --> 00:46:58,079
that's not true you're allowed in heaven

1308
00:47:02,150 --> 00:46:59,680
and go be with your family

1309
00:47:04,069 --> 00:47:02,160
and every single time we'd say that and

1310
00:47:06,790 --> 00:47:04,079
then just one day he just disappeared

1311
00:47:09,510 --> 00:47:06,800
so you know he took our advice and moved

1312
00:47:12,630 --> 00:47:09,520
on on his own

1313
00:47:13,030 --> 00:47:12,640
yeah i mean these energies all have free

1314
00:47:15,430 --> 00:47:13,040
will

1315
00:47:16,790 --> 00:47:15,440
i mean you know they're they're there

1316
00:47:20,069 --> 00:47:16,800
for a reason

1317
00:47:21,510 --> 00:47:20,079
and many times they're there because

1318
00:47:24,710 --> 00:47:21,520
they want to stay there and they don't

1319
00:47:25,349 --> 00:47:24,720
want to move on um and then like you

1320
00:47:27,190 --> 00:47:25,359
said

1321
00:47:29,270 --> 00:47:27,200
others don't really even know they're

1322
00:47:32,390 --> 00:47:29,280
dead i mean even if it's a

1323
00:47:32,950 --> 00:47:32,400
traumatic death or you know so all of a

1324
00:47:35,030 --> 00:47:32,960
sudden

1325
00:47:36,790 --> 00:47:35,040
you know they don't even know and yeah

1326
00:47:40,470 --> 00:47:36,800
i'm going through that experience

1327
00:47:43,750 --> 00:47:40,480
it is a very fulfilling experience

1328
00:47:47,829 --> 00:47:43,760
um basically i i

1329
00:47:50,470 --> 00:47:47,839
have it usually happens to me as i

1330
00:47:51,990 --> 00:47:50,480
see in my mind's eye too and i don't

1331
00:47:53,430 --> 00:47:52,000
know what kind of beans they are i call

1332
00:47:57,270 --> 00:47:53,440
them angels but

1333
00:48:01,030 --> 00:47:57,280
that come from another level

1334
00:48:04,790 --> 00:48:01,040
and basically grab a hold or

1335
00:48:08,230 --> 00:48:04,800
kind of accompany this spirit

1336
00:48:10,950 --> 00:48:08,240
to the next level and uh it is

1337
00:48:12,470 --> 00:48:10,960
it's like a rush comes over you when it

1338
00:48:14,549 --> 00:48:12,480
happens

1339
00:48:16,790 --> 00:48:14,559
and you know i've had people tell and i

1340
00:48:20,069 --> 00:48:16,800
do a lot of this remotely

1341
00:48:22,470 --> 00:48:20,079
and um i have had people tell me that

1342
00:48:23,750 --> 00:48:22,480
uh when it happens some of the things

1343
00:48:27,190 --> 00:48:23,760
they hear

1344
00:48:30,309 --> 00:48:27,200
some of the energy that they sense and

1345
00:48:33,750 --> 00:48:30,319
how things are just change within

1346
00:48:35,670 --> 00:48:33,760
the location and uh yeah it is very

1347
00:48:37,750 --> 00:48:35,680
fulfilling i'm gonna have to do a spirit

1348
00:48:39,349 --> 00:48:37,760
rescue show sometime

1349
00:48:41,510 --> 00:48:39,359
because i have been involved with it for

1350
00:48:43,829 --> 00:48:41,520
so long and um

1351
00:48:44,870 --> 00:48:43,839
you know i don't do as much as i used to

1352
00:48:47,829 --> 00:48:44,880
because it kind of

1353
00:48:49,589 --> 00:48:47,839
it can't it can wear on you i've had

1354
00:48:52,950 --> 00:48:49,599
psychic attacks

1355
00:48:56,069 --> 00:48:52,960
in the past doing remote views and

1356
00:48:59,030 --> 00:48:56,079
uh it can wear on you

1357
00:49:01,270 --> 00:48:59,040
but uh it is it's a fulfilling thing and

1358
00:49:02,870 --> 00:49:01,280
anybody that has the ability to do that

1359
00:49:05,430 --> 00:49:02,880
and and you know and

1360
00:49:06,630 --> 00:49:05,440
look most people have some type of

1361
00:49:09,750 --> 00:49:06,640
psychic ability and

1362
00:49:10,710 --> 00:49:09,760
and i think and learn to do things like

1363
00:49:14,230 --> 00:49:10,720
that

1364
00:49:16,309 --> 00:49:14,240
but it it is a bit different and uh

1365
00:49:18,230 --> 00:49:16,319
you know every spirit rescue or light

1366
00:49:21,190 --> 00:49:18,240
worker i've talked to

1367
00:49:21,990 --> 00:49:21,200
kind of goes through the same thing uh

1368
00:49:25,349 --> 00:49:22,000
where they can

1369
00:49:29,030 --> 00:49:25,359
sense something coming down

1370
00:49:30,870 --> 00:49:29,040
or coming to this spirit enveloping them

1371
00:49:33,109 --> 00:49:30,880
and moving them on

1372
00:49:35,670 --> 00:49:33,119
and uh they do have that sense of

1373
00:49:39,030 --> 00:49:35,680
fulfillment after it's done

1374
00:49:41,270 --> 00:49:39,040
yeah it's it's it's wonderful and

1375
00:49:42,150 --> 00:49:41,280
you know it's sometimes we just do it

1376
00:49:45,190 --> 00:49:42,160
quietly

1377
00:49:46,549 --> 00:49:45,200
um you know we just you don't

1378
00:49:49,430 --> 00:49:46,559
necessarily need to

1379
00:49:50,950 --> 00:49:49,440
have a whole lot of communication i mean

1380
00:49:51,829 --> 00:49:50,960
you know sometimes you can just let them

1381
00:49:53,430 --> 00:49:51,839
know your intent

1382
00:49:55,109 --> 00:49:53,440
and and i know when they're ready to

1383
00:49:56,630 --> 00:49:55,119
cross over because i feel the tingling

1384
00:49:57,829 --> 00:49:56,640
on my ankles and

1385
00:50:00,470 --> 00:49:57,839
you know if they're ready to move on

1386
00:50:02,150 --> 00:50:00,480
then i just move them through so

1387
00:50:04,069 --> 00:50:02,160
um you know and it's like there's a but

1388
00:50:06,549 --> 00:50:04,079
we've been to a lot of investigations

1389
00:50:09,670 --> 00:50:06,559
that like famously haunted places that

1390
00:50:10,630 --> 00:50:09,680
tell you no crossing over the ghost you

1391
00:50:13,109 --> 00:50:10,640
know they don't want

1392
00:50:15,030 --> 00:50:13,119
um they don't want their ghosts to be

1393
00:50:17,270 --> 00:50:15,040
you know moved on and

1394
00:50:18,790 --> 00:50:17,280
that's i don't like that um most of the

1395
00:50:19,829 --> 00:50:18,800
time they're there because they want to

1396
00:50:22,870 --> 00:50:19,839
be anyways

1397
00:50:23,349 --> 00:50:22,880
um but you know somebody wants to cross

1398
00:50:25,430 --> 00:50:23,359
over

1399
00:50:27,829 --> 00:50:25,440
i feel like it's their right um it's

1400
00:50:29,430 --> 00:50:27,839
almost like ghost slavery if you force

1401
00:50:31,190 --> 00:50:29,440
them to stay in a spot

1402
00:50:33,829 --> 00:50:31,200
so that somebody can make money off of

1403
00:50:36,150 --> 00:50:33,839
them i just think that's wrong

1404
00:50:38,390 --> 00:50:36,160
yeah that's like people that go into a

1405
00:50:41,349 --> 00:50:38,400
location and start screaming at goose

1406
00:50:42,870 --> 00:50:41,359
and start acting up with them i just

1407
00:50:45,030 --> 00:50:42,880
don't buy into any of that you know

1408
00:50:46,950 --> 00:50:45,040
that really you know when these these

1409
00:50:47,990 --> 00:50:46,960
paranormal shows just first start coming

1410
00:50:50,390 --> 00:50:48,000
on tv

1411
00:50:51,430 --> 00:50:50,400
that really bothered me oh yeah

1412
00:50:53,829 --> 00:50:51,440
absolutely and uh

1413
00:50:55,030 --> 00:50:53,839
you know that's something i never got

1414
00:50:57,670 --> 00:50:55,040
involved with

1415
00:51:00,870 --> 00:50:57,680
now you know it's kind of challenging a

1416
00:51:02,790 --> 00:51:00,880
spirit or an energy

1417
00:51:04,470 --> 00:51:02,800
first of all that could be dangerous for

1418
00:51:06,870 --> 00:51:04,480
one thing but yeah

1419
00:51:08,390 --> 00:51:06,880
yeah and and if they you know unless

1420
00:51:09,829 --> 00:51:08,400
they know what it is i mean

1421
00:51:12,150 --> 00:51:09,839
you know they could be yelling at a

1422
00:51:13,589 --> 00:51:12,160
little old lady uh that they think is a

1423
00:51:15,750 --> 00:51:13,599
demon or if they're

1424
00:51:17,510 --> 00:51:15,760
yelling at a demon you know they're

1425
00:51:18,630 --> 00:51:17,520
gonna you know they may be poking a bear

1426
00:51:20,790 --> 00:51:18,640
they don't want to poke

1427
00:51:22,470 --> 00:51:20,800
so yeah you know and you've got to

1428
00:51:25,190 --> 00:51:22,480
remember they were most of

1429
00:51:26,069 --> 00:51:25,200
what we encounter were people at one

1430
00:51:28,390 --> 00:51:26,079
point

1431
00:51:29,510 --> 00:51:28,400
and you know show a little compassion

1432
00:51:30,870 --> 00:51:29,520
because they've gone through something

1433
00:51:32,309 --> 00:51:30,880
really traumatic they've been living

1434
00:51:34,549 --> 00:51:32,319
somewhere with nobody

1435
00:51:35,510 --> 00:51:34,559
no way to really communicate with people

1436
00:51:38,309 --> 00:51:35,520
and

1437
00:51:39,109 --> 00:51:38,319
latched on to strong emotions about

1438
00:51:41,670 --> 00:51:39,119
their death

1439
00:51:42,309 --> 00:51:41,680
and you go in and you know you poke and

1440
00:51:44,470 --> 00:51:42,319
prod at

1441
00:51:46,309 --> 00:51:44,480
them and try to get them to answer

1442
00:51:46,950 --> 00:51:46,319
questions or be aggressive or rude to

1443
00:51:48,630 --> 00:51:46,960
them

1444
00:51:51,750 --> 00:51:48,640
it's just i don't know it's just not

1445
00:51:54,870 --> 00:51:51,760
right you have to have compassion

1446
00:51:57,829 --> 00:51:54,880
you know when i when i was uh

1447
00:51:59,190 --> 00:51:57,839
more involved with doing this many of

1448
00:52:01,030 --> 00:51:59,200
the people and i would say

1449
00:52:02,870 --> 00:52:01,040
probably most the people that were

1450
00:52:04,870 --> 00:52:02,880
coming to me for help

1451
00:52:06,230 --> 00:52:04,880
were folks who got involved with the

1452
00:52:08,549 --> 00:52:06,240
paranormal

1453
00:52:10,710 --> 00:52:08,559
are very normal investigations in

1454
00:52:13,109 --> 00:52:10,720
graveyards and really

1455
00:52:14,950 --> 00:52:13,119
other locations where there was a lot of

1456
00:52:16,950 --> 00:52:14,960
haunting going on even had

1457
00:52:18,230 --> 00:52:16,960
one that came out of waverly hills one

1458
00:52:22,069 --> 00:52:18,240
time

1459
00:52:24,630 --> 00:52:22,079
and uh they got an attachment

1460
00:52:25,510 --> 00:52:24,640
and uh you know that's not a pretty

1461
00:52:28,630 --> 00:52:25,520
sight i mean

1462
00:52:30,309 --> 00:52:28,640
and they they were scared to death

1463
00:52:31,990 --> 00:52:30,319
you know the first thing i you know and

1464
00:52:34,790 --> 00:52:32,000
i can always tell one of somebody

1465
00:52:36,630 --> 00:52:34,800
that did that uh you know they they went

1466
00:52:40,470 --> 00:52:36,640
in there with no protection

1467
00:52:43,910 --> 00:52:40,480
started provoking uh didn't

1468
00:52:45,589 --> 00:52:43,920
know how to clear themselves or how to

1469
00:52:47,829 --> 00:52:45,599
the lessen the energy when they were

1470
00:52:52,470 --> 00:52:47,839
done and they just had an attachment

1471
00:52:54,069 --> 00:52:52,480
you know and it left with them and uh

1472
00:52:55,910 --> 00:52:54,079
you know i don't go into graveyards you

1473
00:52:57,030 --> 00:52:55,920
know i i even hate going to a funeral

1474
00:52:59,670 --> 00:52:57,040
because look

1475
00:53:01,510 --> 00:52:59,680
i got i'll sit i can sit at a funeral

1476
00:53:04,549 --> 00:53:01,520
even at a few of them

1477
00:53:07,030 --> 00:53:04,559
and i know this stuff is around me and

1478
00:53:08,710 --> 00:53:07,040
and it's bothering me it doesn't really

1479
00:53:10,069 --> 00:53:08,720
bother me i can't go to antique stores

1480
00:53:13,190 --> 00:53:10,079
anymore

1481
00:53:13,990 --> 00:53:13,200
you know just you know the imprint on

1482
00:53:16,790 --> 00:53:14,000
the antiques

1483
00:53:17,349 --> 00:53:16,800
and the surroundings is just really

1484
00:53:19,190 --> 00:53:17,359
mm-hmm

1485
00:53:21,829 --> 00:53:19,200
and it just really bothers me you're

1486
00:53:24,069 --> 00:53:21,839
feeling yeah you're feeling the energy

1487
00:53:25,829 --> 00:53:24,079
i know yeah a lot of people are that way

1488
00:53:28,230 --> 00:53:25,839
a friend of mine i'm laughing at you

1489
00:53:29,510 --> 00:53:28,240
at your uh antique store because a

1490
00:53:31,430 --> 00:53:29,520
friend of mine

1491
00:53:33,670 --> 00:53:31,440
and i we play this game called find the

1492
00:53:35,990 --> 00:53:33,680
haunted haunted item and we'll go into

1493
00:53:38,230 --> 00:53:36,000
an antique store we'll walk around

1494
00:53:40,230 --> 00:53:38,240
and we'll say okay i found one it's in

1495
00:53:42,470 --> 00:53:40,240
this back room go find it

1496
00:53:44,069 --> 00:53:42,480
and uh you know i'll go back and find it

1497
00:53:45,510 --> 00:53:44,079
and then i'll send her to another room

1498
00:53:46,870 --> 00:53:45,520
it's actually a good way to test out

1499
00:53:47,910 --> 00:53:46,880
your abilities but

1500
00:53:49,750 --> 00:53:47,920
you just got to make sure you don't

1501
00:53:51,670 --> 00:53:49,760
bring that ghost home with you when

1502
00:53:54,549 --> 00:53:51,680
you're doing that

1503
00:53:55,430 --> 00:53:54,559
you know yeah i mean you know i there

1504
00:53:58,630 --> 00:53:55,440
have been

1505
00:54:02,230 --> 00:53:58,640
times when i thought i may have one

1506
00:54:03,430 --> 00:54:02,240
uh and it turned out that it didn't but

1507
00:54:04,230 --> 00:54:03,440
boy i was getting all kinds of

1508
00:54:06,870 --> 00:54:04,240
indications

1509
00:54:08,069 --> 00:54:06,880
something was going on i i don't know i

1510
00:54:12,150 --> 00:54:08,079
don't know what it was

1511
00:54:14,470 --> 00:54:12,160
but um yeah that's a scary thing and

1512
00:54:15,829 --> 00:54:14,480
and and most people don't realize that

1513
00:54:16,790 --> 00:54:15,839
that can happen to them when they get

1514
00:54:20,309 --> 00:54:16,800
involved

1515
00:54:23,349 --> 00:54:20,319
with investigating a paranormal so um

1516
00:54:24,630 --> 00:54:23,359
well anyway i you have been to waverly

1517
00:54:26,870 --> 00:54:24,640
hills i mean

1518
00:54:27,670 --> 00:54:26,880
what was your impression of that place i

1519
00:54:30,150 --> 00:54:27,680
you know i

1520
00:54:31,430 --> 00:54:30,160
i have never been there i i have passed

1521
00:54:34,069 --> 00:54:31,440
by it i've

1522
00:54:34,470 --> 00:54:34,079
talked to so many people you know it's

1523
00:54:37,990 --> 00:54:34,480
these

1524
00:54:41,349 --> 00:54:38,000
they just hold

1525
00:54:42,309 --> 00:54:41,359
some of the most uh i don't either

1526
00:54:45,750 --> 00:54:42,319
gruesome or

1527
00:54:48,069 --> 00:54:45,760
very very sad

1528
00:54:49,589 --> 00:54:48,079
history i i just don't really want to go

1529
00:54:49,910 --> 00:54:49,599
there but you know i know you've been

1530
00:54:52,309 --> 00:54:49,920
there

1531
00:54:54,390 --> 00:54:52,319
what do you think well i and you know

1532
00:54:54,950 --> 00:54:54,400
waverly hills i'm drawn there just like

1533
00:55:03,270 --> 00:54:54,960
i

1534
00:55:05,670 --> 00:55:03,280
and um you go and you feel the sadness

1535
00:55:06,870 --> 00:55:05,680
but you also feel other things you feel

1536
00:55:09,430 --> 00:55:06,880
um some of their joy

1537
00:55:10,549 --> 00:55:09,440
in some of their life and you see things

1538
00:55:12,710 --> 00:55:10,559
like we

1539
00:55:14,870 --> 00:55:12,720
we always investigate with no

1540
00:55:16,309 --> 00:55:14,880
flashlights at waverly hills and let our

1541
00:55:18,870 --> 00:55:16,319
eyes adapt

1542
00:55:20,069 --> 00:55:18,880
and because there's the open verandas

1543
00:55:23,030 --> 00:55:20,079
and it spills moonlight

1544
00:55:24,549 --> 00:55:23,040
into the past and if you stand there and

1545
00:55:26,710 --> 00:55:24,559
without your flashlight let your eyes

1546
00:55:27,030 --> 00:55:26,720
adjust you'll actually see them crossing

1547
00:55:31,510 --> 00:55:27,040
the

1548
00:55:33,990 --> 00:55:31,520
it's just incredible

1549
00:55:35,030 --> 00:55:34,000
just some of the experiences uh one

1550
00:55:38,470 --> 00:55:35,040
thing that's there

1551
00:55:40,309 --> 00:55:38,480
that i'm not crazy about is the uh

1552
00:55:41,510 --> 00:55:40,319
is the crawler or some people call him

1553
00:55:44,309 --> 00:55:41,520
the creeper

1554
00:55:46,069 --> 00:55:44,319
and uh basically we think that he

1555
00:55:49,030 --> 00:55:46,079
started off as human

1556
00:55:51,190 --> 00:55:49,040
uh that he's kind of lost a lot of his

1557
00:55:52,870 --> 00:55:51,200
attachments with being a human he crawls

1558
00:55:55,510 --> 00:55:52,880
across the ceiling

1559
00:55:57,829 --> 00:55:55,520
and uh like almost like a crab and when

1560
00:55:59,510 --> 00:55:57,839
he gets within like 20 feet of you

1561
00:56:01,589 --> 00:55:59,520
he drops down to the ground and he

1562
00:56:02,710 --> 00:56:01,599
rushes right through you he runs right

1563
00:56:05,589 --> 00:56:02,720
at you

1564
00:56:07,750 --> 00:56:05,599
and the last time we were there um we

1565
00:56:10,870 --> 00:56:07,760
were there with a big group of people

1566
00:56:12,549 --> 00:56:10,880
and we had divided up into areas and my

1567
00:56:13,990 --> 00:56:12,559
group was no flashlights but there were

1568
00:56:15,670 --> 00:56:14,000
other people there that were walking

1569
00:56:18,390 --> 00:56:15,680
around flashlights

1570
00:56:19,270 --> 00:56:18,400
and uh my friend tracy and i were

1571
00:56:21,349 --> 00:56:19,280
walking down

1572
00:56:22,549 --> 00:56:21,359
a long corridor and we could see a lump

1573
00:56:25,349 --> 00:56:22,559
in the middle of the

1574
00:56:25,670 --> 00:56:25,359
aisle in a puddle of moonlight and we

1575
00:56:29,990 --> 00:56:25,680
were

1576
00:56:32,309 --> 00:56:30,000
and closer and my heart

1577
00:56:33,750 --> 00:56:32,319
was pounding and tracy's like the

1578
00:56:35,990 --> 00:56:33,760
bravest person i know

1579
00:56:37,270 --> 00:56:36,000
so i couldn't let her one-up me on that

1580
00:56:38,950 --> 00:56:37,280
so i'm right next to her and we're

1581
00:56:41,589 --> 00:56:38,960
getting closer and closer

1582
00:56:42,309 --> 00:56:41,599
and we get right up to within 10 feet of

1583
00:56:43,829 --> 00:56:42,319
it and

1584
00:56:45,589 --> 00:56:43,839
starting to really start to see some

1585
00:56:47,589 --> 00:56:45,599
details and some

1586
00:56:49,670 --> 00:56:47,599
yahoo comes up with a flashlight in

1587
00:56:51,670 --> 00:56:49,680
between us and shines his light

1588
00:56:53,030 --> 00:56:51,680
right you know at where we were looking

1589
00:56:56,150 --> 00:56:53,040
at he goes well what are you looking at

1590
00:56:57,990 --> 00:56:56,160
we're like nothing now you know

1591
00:56:59,829 --> 00:56:58,000
so that's why i like doing

1592
00:57:00,710 --> 00:56:59,839
investigations without a lot of other

1593
00:57:03,510 --> 00:57:00,720
people

1594
00:57:07,030 --> 00:57:03,520
you know yeah yeah i agree with that

1595
00:57:09,589 --> 00:57:07,040
yeah a pretty powerful experience though

1596
00:57:11,829 --> 00:57:09,599
so jeremy what uh what's in the future

1597
00:57:13,510 --> 00:57:11,839
for you what do you plan on doing uh you

1598
00:57:15,030 --> 00:57:13,520
have another book in the works or what's

1599
00:57:17,670 --> 00:57:15,040
going on

1600
00:57:19,829 --> 00:57:17,680
uh yeah right now i'm starting i love

1601
00:57:20,309 --> 00:57:19,839
writing fiction and i have six fiction

1602
00:57:23,109 --> 00:57:20,319
books

1603
00:57:23,670 --> 00:57:23,119
um one is a paranormal series and it

1604
00:57:26,710 --> 00:57:23,680
follows

1605
00:57:27,510 --> 00:57:26,720
um a woman named shelby and her dog

1606
00:57:29,510 --> 00:57:27,520
fugly so

1607
00:57:30,950 --> 00:57:29,520
there's some humor in it i'm an animal

1608
00:57:31,829 --> 00:57:30,960
lover so there has to be an animal in

1609
00:57:34,549 --> 00:57:31,839
this book

1610
00:57:36,549 --> 00:57:34,559
but uh she's a scout for a paranormal tv

1611
00:57:39,910 --> 00:57:36,559
show so she goes ahead

1612
00:57:41,510 --> 00:57:39,920
and uh scouts out the location and every

1613
00:57:43,829 --> 00:57:41,520
time she goes something

1614
00:57:46,069 --> 00:57:43,839
crazy happens so my first book in that

1615
00:57:48,870 --> 00:57:46,079
series was crazy dead people

1616
00:57:50,470 --> 00:57:48,880
and i'm starting uh demon a la mode

1617
00:57:53,670 --> 00:57:50,480
right now so

1618
00:57:55,190 --> 00:57:53,680
um it's going to be a wild ride uh

1619
00:57:57,030 --> 00:57:55,200
and there there'll always be another

1620
00:57:58,630 --> 00:57:57,040
book coming up um

1621
00:58:00,150 --> 00:57:58,640
i get people contact me all the time

1622
00:58:02,789 --> 00:58:00,160
with ghost stories they want to share

1623
00:58:04,870 --> 00:58:02,799
and uh you know who knows i just kind of

1624
00:58:05,510 --> 00:58:04,880
go with the flow on it but definitely my

1625
00:58:09,190 --> 00:58:05,520
next

1626
00:58:10,870 --> 00:58:09,200
shelby and ugly book is on my agenda

1627
00:58:12,470 --> 00:58:10,880
and then of course ghost walks i can't

1628
00:58:14,549 --> 00:58:12,480
wait till it gets warm enough to get out

1629
00:58:16,470 --> 00:58:14,559
and do more ghost walks i love

1630
00:58:17,750 --> 00:58:16,480
i love just getting out and doing that

1631
00:58:22,549 --> 00:58:17,760
it's so much fun and

1632
00:58:24,390 --> 00:58:22,559
um people seem to enjoy it as well yeah

1633
00:58:25,589 --> 00:58:24,400
this whole cobra thing has really put a

1634
00:58:28,309 --> 00:58:25,599
damper on everything

1635
00:58:30,069 --> 00:58:28,319
and uh you know i know i have had three

1636
00:58:31,910 --> 00:58:30,079
i don't normally do appearances but i

1637
00:58:35,030 --> 00:58:31,920
had three of them canceled this past

1638
00:58:37,589 --> 00:58:35,040
year and uh me too yeah it really

1639
00:58:39,270 --> 00:58:37,599
it really knocked everything down but

1640
00:58:40,309 --> 00:58:39,280
maybe it'll straighten out in the very

1641
00:58:45,109 --> 00:58:40,319
near future

1642
00:58:51,109 --> 00:58:48,150
so uh look if you're ever in the area

1643
00:58:52,549 --> 00:58:51,119
again oh yeah look me up let me know

1644
00:58:55,510 --> 00:58:52,559
about it and uh

1645
00:58:56,390 --> 00:58:55,520
maybe we can get together sometime well

1646
00:58:58,069 --> 00:58:56,400
we're probably

1647
00:59:01,109 --> 00:58:58,079
going to be at the same pair cons that

1648
00:59:04,470 --> 00:59:01,119
got canceled last year the um

1649
00:59:06,150 --> 00:59:04,480
not phenomenology and um the gettysburg

1650
00:59:07,670 --> 00:59:06,160
battlefield bash

1651
00:59:10,390 --> 00:59:07,680
were two of them that i was supposed to

1652
00:59:12,069 --> 00:59:10,400
go to as well so i'm really hoping

1653
00:59:13,750 --> 00:59:12,079
that things are a little more under

1654
00:59:15,510 --> 00:59:13,760
control and enough of us have gotten the

1655
00:59:16,870 --> 00:59:15,520
vaccine that we can be able to do these

1656
00:59:19,190 --> 00:59:16,880
things again

1657
00:59:20,870 --> 00:59:19,200
um but i'm i'm cautious i'm probably

1658
00:59:23,750 --> 00:59:20,880
borderline paranoid about

1659
00:59:26,069 --> 00:59:23,760
being safe and i'm not going to do any

1660
00:59:26,390 --> 00:59:26,079
kind of investigations around here until

1661
00:59:28,950 --> 00:59:26,400
i'm

1662
00:59:30,470 --> 00:59:28,960
convinced that we're okay ghost walks

1663
00:59:32,230 --> 00:59:30,480
are different because they're outdoors

1664
00:59:33,670 --> 00:59:32,240
and you know we can wear masks and

1665
00:59:36,069 --> 00:59:33,680
socially distance but

1666
00:59:37,589 --> 00:59:36,079
when you get indoors in a building it's

1667
00:59:39,190 --> 00:59:37,599
you know there's this chance that you

1668
00:59:41,109 --> 00:59:39,200
take

1669
00:59:42,470 --> 00:59:41,119
yeah i think a lot of us are going to be

1670
00:59:45,589 --> 00:59:42,480
like that for a while

1671
00:59:47,109 --> 00:59:45,599
and uh but hopefully we can get all and

1672
00:59:49,430 --> 00:59:47,119
get through this and

1673
00:59:51,670 --> 00:59:49,440
get back to normal so you know generally

1674
00:59:55,589 --> 00:59:51,680
thanks again for coming on the show

1675
00:59:57,910 --> 00:59:55,599
and uh please keep in touch and uh

1676
00:59:59,670 --> 00:59:57,920
i hope you have a good year thank you

1677
01:00:05,510 --> 00:59:59,680
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and we all hope you do as well so i want

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to again thank johnny man for joining me

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tonight

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and i want to thank you for listening to

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the show stay